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Convenience Store Critcism

I was traveling home from Colorado a while back and we stopped in Sheridan, Wyoming to fuel up at about 11pm.  While in the store a ranch couple came in and I introduced myself. The gentleman had seen me do a demonstration in Florida and was a little critical about how I worked the cattle.

I didn’t really expect to be criticized in the middle of the night in a C-store, but I have been getting pretty used to the criticism. He was not wrong in criticizing me, but I feel he missed the real problem and mistake I made.  He said I had to many cattle in the “Bud Box.”  I am not sure if that really mattered, because the real mistake I made was not preparing the cattle better before I went into the box with them. The Brahman bulls we were working were a stick-together kinda bunch.

I had talked too long and did not take the time to get them ready for working in the box properly. I could not only bring part of them so I just went with what I could in the time I had.  I learned from the first demo and then got along pretty well in the following 5 or 6 that we did.

I learned from my mistakes.  The challenge is when you do things in public everyone sees the mistake, but never see what you learn from the mistake.

It bothers me when people criticize me, as it does a lot of people.  I am doing my best to help folks figure out better ways to work with animals.  I never “pre-prepare” animals to work if I am in control.  I just let ‘er roll and see what happens.  If it works like it says in the books and movies that’s great. If it is a wreck, I feel people learn how to adjust to fit a situation or see how not to do something.  For me this is the only way I will do things or I would not enjoy my work.

If I get criticized by someone who is really good at something that does not bother me much, especially if they tell me to my face.  The ones that really bother me are the ones that don’t have the guts to talk to me about it.

I offended a friend one time by questioning the “one rein stop” in horsemanship and he did not hesitate to give me his opinion.  We are not friends anymore so I guess we really were not that good of friends.  Buster MacLaury read the same article, did not agree with it, wrote his own article explaining his thoughts, and I and many more people learned from his point of view.  I hope we are still friends, because he is a very good person to horses and humans.

One of the reasons I started writing this so called “Scoop Loop” is because of a criticism written about me in the Stockmanship Journal.  I am so thankful to Whit and Lynn, because I am enjoying writing so much, and I feel I am getting better at sharing and learning my ideas on stockmanship and stewardship.

I am guilty of being very critical of some of the folks in the horsemanship world.  I had to learn that not everyone has the same ideas.  I don’t like to sell things to people to make them a better horseman, and actually think it takes away from the actual horsemanship skills. But I now realize if you offer someone a shortcut, or what seems to be a shortcut, they will take it.  That’s just the way it is.  Who am I to judge someone for paying the bills on someone else’s needs?

The challenge for me is when I feel horsemen are putting too much or the wrong kind of pressure on an animal and then it has trouble with the pressure.  You must do too much to learn how much is too much, but I feel we should be way farther along in this area.  Many of the horse clinicians I have seen put a lot of pressure on, but talk about how natural or kind they are being to the horse. I hope they are learning from their experiences.

So I have quit being critical of others to others.  I think what I think but mostly keep it to myself. Most people involved in the cattle business are really trying to help cattle handling improve.  We may have different ideas and methods, but pretty much everyone has the animals’ best interest in mind.  This is a very good thing.

I worry when I hear talk of the Bud box being superior to the tub, or curved alleys being better than straight , or what kind of driving aid is the best.  This is the same as which halter or lead rope is best in the horse world.  The main focus needs to be on the skill of handling not what is your choice of equipment.

A problem that I think happens is when we become enamored with an instructor, and try to do everything how they did it.  From what I have observed, it is very hard to be someone else and interpret the way they think.  It would be way better to learn from someone but use their knowledge in your own style, not in a copying manner.  Just because you have the same hat, saddle, or use the same equipment or words, and try to move in the same manner does not mean you will be successful.

Tom Dorrance said many times you should feel like you could ride your horse up a telephone pole or down a gopher hole.  I doubt he told anyone what type of equipment to use to do it, and I am pretty positive he did not try to sell them the equipment if he did suggest something.

So I apologize for any unfounded criticism I have thrown out there.  Also I hope people know that when I voice my opinion it is my opinion, and just because it may be different than there own, I not trying to offend, and if I think your opinion is worth listening to I will try to learn from it.

I still don’t like to be criticized, but it is certainly a good way to fuel my fire to get better.
So thanks to all of you that have criticized me publicly.  I am sure plenty of folks are pretty critical of what I do in private discussions as well.  I know in my heart I am trying to do the right thing for humans and animals, and am willing to make mistakes, but hopefully not the same ones over to many times.

The one person that I get concerned with when she criticizes me is my wife, Tammy. She has stuck with me and supported me through all my mistakes, and had the confidence in me to know I would get it figured out.  When she has criticized, I am really in the wrong and she has not missed on that too many times. Now that is a good wife!

Buck Brannamann gave me a copy of the The Man in the Arena a long time ago.  It is very good and maybe everyone should look at it once in a while.

~ Curt Pate

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Monday Morning Photo: Grazing, U.N. reports, and what makes the world go round

This is a video my daughter sent me and it shows exactly what we can do with grazing animals all over the world.  Grazing animals guts are the original recyclers.  It is a good thing to graze properly, our world depends on it.

The Patagonia video along with the recent United Nations report (see U.N. says animal handling key to cutting emissions on the farm, Drovers Cattlenetwork, 9.26.2013) are two contrasting but positive views to livestock production.  I feel the report released is much more positive than the one titled, Livestock’s Long Shadow, and goes right along with the science-based solutions I hear at seminars all the time.  The natural nutrient recycling through grazing is also needed to make this world work.  We need both technology and Mother Nature’s natural system in this world to progress.  Is it not an amazing time we live in?

Curt Pate

This is the stuff that makes the world go round, and it might be B.S.

This is the stuff that makes the world go round, and it might be B.S.

The Home Ranch

Note: This post is a bit lengthy, but well worth the read. I hope you’ll take the time do so.

I have been going to a guest ranch called The Home Ranch in Clark, Colorado for about the last 15 years or so.

home ranch 1It has always been a great experience for me. It is a very nice place. They have real nice cabins to stay in, the best food you could ever imagine, and lots of outdoor activities to participate in with the main one being horseback riding. They also provide entertainment of the indoor variety with music and a barn dance.

Ken Jones was the manager and partner that hired me to do a horse clinic the first time I went. He was very interested in horsemanship and at the time had several different clinics every year with a mix of folks sharing knowledge.

Ken was a lot of fun and really was a great manager of the ranch. I really admired the way he stayed traditional and always promoted the western way with lots of style.

He had been at it a long time and decided to get out. I owe Ken a lot for all the good he brought me and my family by bringing us to the Home Ranch. Besides that he is one heck of a left handed roper.

The next and present manager was Johnny Fisher. He has quite a different style of management, and the ranch is evolving quite nicely.

The first thing he told me was that the Home Ranch was not about horses, but about people. He was a guy that enjoyed horsemanship for himself, but told me the people that could afford to come to the Home Ranch were interested in lifestyle and getting what they were paying for. His number one focus was to give people what they needed, not what he wanted them to need.

I never discussed business much with Ken (the first manager), we always discussed horse stuff.

The thing I learned is you can have two very different people managing the same operation and get great results. You will lose some clients, but you will gain some.

home ranch 3The next person I have observed during my time is Clyde, the head chef. You can’t believe the things they do with food around that place. At breakfast they squeeze oranges to make orange juice, make all the pastries, and will cook you any thing you want. Lunch, or what I call dinner is probably my favorite. Plenty of fresh salads, and always something on the grill, from quail to salmon to burgers and brats. Dinner or what I call supper is pretty fancy and you may even eat soup that is cold (It’s supposed to be). I have eaten things I can’t pronounce, but it sure was good. Clyde and I have not had much conversation in the last 15 years, but I really enjoy and admire his skill and dedication to high quality and low waste. He and his staff are incredible and really bring much pleasure (and weight) to lots of people.

After a couple of years with Johnny, he could tell I did not really fit the program. He and my wife, Tammy, came up with a new program, yoga and horsemanship. It fit way better than what I was doing. The program that they have developed is great and many lives have really been improved with the yoga and horsemanship week.

My time at the Home Ranch has now turned into the Weanling Week. Gordon Jessman from Canada brings a load of weanling horses down and the guests get to halter break and prepare them for the auction, which is an annual event at the Home Ranch. Gord and myself as well as the wranglers at the ranch help and I auction the sale at the end of the week. I truly enjoy working with the babies and have way to much fun with Gord.

As I mentioned I have observed many changes over the years at the Home Ranch. Remember, most of the folks that go to the ranch have money. The trends and thoughts I hear at the Home Ranch are most likely from the top of the money folks in this country.

The new thing evolving at the Home Ranch is growing and raising their own food. They are raising grass-fed beef, finishing hogs on the ranch, and have put in a huge greenhouse and outdoor garden. The guests love the concept of the food being all “Home” grown.

Now the interesting thing to me is why people are willing to pay a lot of money to spend a week doing what ranch folks do everyday. The food is a big part of it, and the activities are great, but I feel the true reason people go to the Home Ranch is because the fast pace life that they have all been sucked into goes away. Johnny and Ken both kept it real and honest. They actually in a way get paid to keep these folks living the ranch lifestyle for a week of someone’s life. We in agriculture should be careful not to get sucked into the fast paced crazy world that people pay to get out of. Stop and smell the alfalfa and cow manure.

Of course I can’t think of something without involving animal care, so here is something for you to think about. Lets compare the Home Ranch for people to a feedlot for cattle.

To get to the Home Ranch, many people must fly. They are sorted, poked, and shoved through security, put into waiting areas, then loaded on a plane (which are way to tight in my opinion, and for me not enough leg room). If you have no experience or training on flying, it can be very stressful.

To get to a feedlot, cattle are trucked. They are sorted and hopefully not poked or shoved into holding pens, put into holding pens, then loaded properly. If the driver follows trucker quality guidelines there should be no turbulence and the cattle should have plenty of room to ride comfortably.

home ranch 2The first commingling at the Home Ranch for me is always very stressful. Everyone meets in a room with drinks and fancy food that I don’t quite know how to eat, or even what some of the things are. It makes me nervous being forced to be around all these people I don’t know and talking about things I am not sure about. About the time I am going to break and run they open the door to the dining room and everyone heads for the door. Dinner is served family style so if you are thinking you pick someone you know and enjoy being around to eat with. My wife is real good at all the social stuff, so I rely on her to keep my stress level down.

After we all get situated everyone seems to be more comfortable, and when food starts being served, life is good. After a fine meal and conversation and interaction on a more personal level, I am ready to go to bed and get a good nights rest so I can get up and enjoy the next day which I spend eating, relaxing, being around people I enjoy, staying away from the ones I don’t enjoy, eating some more, getting some exercise or doing something fun, and then eating some more before bedding down to rest for the next days activity, in which I am now looking forward to.

When a calf arrives at the feedlot, he may be under some stress from the trip in, just like many people that had trouble with lost luggage or delays. If the airline does their job correctly and the weather cooperates it goes well and there is not much stress. If the livestock handlers and truckers do their job correctly the calf has a minimum of stress. If the guest seems to be stressed when they arrive, Salina at the check in is very good at taking the stress off. If she were to make it difficult or added more stress to the guest, the stay may not be as enjoyable and the guest may not enjoy themselves. A lack of pleasure will make guests not want to come back or tell others about the Home Ranch, so it is very important to take the stress off and make the guest feel comfortable.

We need to have this same policy when a beef animal is trucked and commingled into a new home. We can work with the animal in a way that calms the animal down and takes the stress off. This can be done by putting them into a pen that is big enough to move away from animals they don’t feel comfortable with, but still allows them to stay with the other animals to keep them from fence walking and getting them to eat and drink.

If we get control of the calves we can place them at the bunk and get them eating. The food may be a little fancy (feedlot nutritionists are gourmet chefs for cows) so it may take them a little bit to get used to it, but once they get started they will like it. If they are not encouraged to try it they may not eat properly and start to not feel good which leads to them not having as good of experience as they should. Just like the guest ranch, the feedlot will benefit its cattle (the guest) by taking the time to get the animals comfortable and then eating, drinking and sleeping.

If the guests at the Home Ranch were only eating, drinking and sleeping, after a while no matter how nice the bedding was and how great the food and drink satisfied, there would be un-contentment at the ranch. People need something to do.

Maybe this is something that is missing in the feed yard. Activity is very important for people’s health and contentment. Animals on the range have the activity of making a living by grazing. When they go to the feedlot, they need rest from the stress off the trip, but will soon need some activity to stay healthy and content. Just something to think about …

You must be very careful when you put human thoughts on animals. I think this is called anthropomorphism. I am not saying the same things precisely are needed to make animals and humans happy and content, but in a general way we have the same basic needs. Humans work to get enough money for this life and create choices through hard and smart work. The more money they have the more choices they can make. Domesticated animals are under our care so we make the lifestyle choices for them. It is important that we understand what the animal needs to give it a high quality of life. Beef cattle are in-the-moment thinkers and I don’t have any real evidence that they plan ahead or even think in the future. They seem happy when they have plenty to eat, companionship, nothing threatening their safety, and a comfortable environment.

The dust and the smell at a feed yard are not enjoyable to me. If you put cattle in a pen next to the pasture and leave access available to them they will spend the majority of the time in the pen eating at the bunk or laying on the manure mound. They will go out in the pasture a couple times a day, graze a little then come back to the pen. This tells me they enjoy the environment of the pen, even though I don’t.

The trouble in the feed yard is when we have weather extremes. Heat with humidity can cause cattle to die in the feedlot. In some areas of the U.S. every year we have this problem. We need to do something about it. Shade and water systems are needed. Mud is a huge discomfort to cattle. We need to figure out ways to get mud-free zones for cattle to rest in during the mud season. Snow and cold with no shelter is inhumane if the animal is forced to stay in it with no way out. If we put a fence around we should provide them what they could get themselves if the fence was not there. Technology and new products have made it much more practical to give the animals the comfort they deserve, but we must overcome old paradigms and use this new technology.

The employees at the Home Ranch work real hard to create a great experience for the guest. They have learned to give people what they want and sometimes need. It is not easy work and week after week of seeing the same old thing can get frustrating. It is not an easy job and the conditions for the employees are not the same as for the guest.

As I said earlier I don’t enjoy the environment at the feedyard. It is most always tough conditions for the people working with the cattle. The cattle may be in the shade, out off the wind and moisture but the handler or caregiver of the animal is not. Pen riders are like wranglers at the Home Ranch. They must meet the needs of the cattle, no matter the conditions.

I don’t recall many conversations I have had discussing cattle production with Home Ranch guests that they did not criticize feedlots. To most people they seem like a terrible place for cattle. From a human point of view they don’t look too good, and how could they if that is the only point of view you know. If this way of thinking by the consumer continues and increases, the consumer will demand another style of production. I am a firm believer that the customer creates the trends in the industry, and from most of the people I am in contact with outside of agriculture, they have a negative view of a feedlot.

The Home Ranch is a great place because they give people everything they could need. The management is the reason they are so good. I have been to other guest ranches that the food was not up to my liking, the horses were not safe for the skill level of rider, and the employees did not have the discipline to suck it up and give the guest what they had paid for.

If a feed yard is managed properly I feel it can be a great place place for a beef animal to be. If my thought of the animal being in the moment, and not knowing the concept of death is true then I am going to declare the feedlot industry to be the “guest ranch” for cattle.

I hope all guest ranches will use The Home Ranch as the bench mark for quality. They truly do improve quality of life for their guests.

~ Curt Pate